Well i dont want to a write / express my views on this topic but people around me pulled me in to the debate yesterday ! Giving here some of those questions put to me and my answers to them. As a strict veggie who recently started eating in non-veg and veg combined hotel (appavum veg thaanpa), My answers are based on vegetarianism followed by our forefathers and not of that vegetarianism which is being followed today. I started by declaring this and they are ready to put forward the questions to me.
Q: You people are telling eating non-veg is sin as it is made of killing animals. Dont you kill the plant and eat it?
Who told you the indian vegetarians kill the plants. Right from the fruits, vegetables everything is the product of the plans and after which plant doesnt take care of that part of the product and it is of no use to the plant. Thats why even if you dont pluck that product out of the plant, you can find that product of the plant ( fruit, vegetables) going dry and waste. Also plant doesnt convert everything in to its product. Some part it reserves which is of no use to humans. They are useful for bringing out another saplings. As it is the job of human to bring another sapling (also you can take it like, to get more food (fruit or vegetable), human gets that another product (which is called seed) and they plant it. So by no way plant is not affected.
Q. So whats the case of keerais (Green leaves) then ?
See for cooking, you dont use new leaves. You use only mature leaves( By the time i say this people started raising questions like no on we only use fresh leaves not the old ones. Then i started arguing, people got settled down). I repeat we use only mature leaves not the new leaves. I am not saying we are using old leaves but the fresh matured leaves. You have fresh new leaves, fresh matured leaves. You ask any old people for the difference between matured and new leaves. Again matured leaves cannot feed the plant any more and some plant will shed leaves and some will be wasted in the plant. So whats wrong in human plicking those leaves?
Q. Sami, what about cow’s milk then ? ( i was expecting some one would come with this)
Who told you cow’s milk is non-veg? It is the cow which we respect a lot converts its blood in to the milk to feed its child. Have you seen any blood in the milk ? After the calf had taken the milk from cow, humans are taking that extra product. If we left to the cow itself, it will cause problems to cow only.
Q. What about garlic and onions ?
In indian vegetarianism, we wont use garlic and onions. Though everybody including me eats them, in none of our functions / festivals we use them. Reason, if we take it out them from the ground, they are dead. As vegetarians are against killing, they wont use it.
Q. What about rice?
Same answer applies to here. Farmers will harvest paddy only after it got riped. Its life is over and it gives its prodcut to us and goes. We are taking that product.
I continued, none of the people are striclty following these. Previously every family had cow and its own garden of fruits and vegetables. They followed this practice of allowing the calf to take its mothers milk first and then the people took the milk. They carefully plucked the leaves and fruits. They maintained the garden very well. Now the life style got changed a lot. In the diary, No calf is allowed to take the milk from cow before the human extracts the milk and did he leave after that, he mixes water. No farmer is seeing whether the trees are properly nourised (first people are not interested in growing trees useful for environment).
And no vegetarians are raising voices against these? so they should not raise voice against the non-veg who kills the animals. The only difference of today is non-veg people kill animal brutally and veggie kills the plants (does any one see which is matured leaf and which is new leaf? today? i doubt), kills the cow (not the concept of adimaadu, but before that itself they refusing to feed its own child). So veggies dont have rights. I concluded by saying if we people follow actual indian vegetarianism, that would be great and it is better than non-veg.
But why am making this debate is if some one points blindly that veggies concepts are killing plants and troubling cow, then my counter will be like these. Also people made what we have today’s veg and non-veg as life style. Nobody is going to change with arguments kind of these. Its my point and wish to have veg and no body can say that i am following some concept of life style which kills plants.
In yesterday’s debate, most of them seem to agree to what i have said but still some one said “Sami kitta pesi jaikka mudiyathu” Adapavigala, naan enna avvalavu pidivathamava pesaren? Ithukku thaan i said i wont come in to these kind of arguments. People pulled me and giving this unneccessary title to me

I think all these plants’ products are meant to be consumed, created by nature. The same argument also holds good to Animals. But, only for the case, an animal as prey to other animal, for its living & also to complete the nature life cycle.
Hi Sami,
Well written.
Being a Strict vegetarian myself, I can understand each and every point.
Ask any non-vegetarian eating person to kill a cow/chicken by themselves. Just find out the response. The people I have asked, wouldn’t dare to do such things. That didn’t stop them from eating non-veg though
Once a person was telling me this:
She was driving her car and suddenly a bird flew across and she couldn’t stop the car immediately, though she braked immediately. The result: The bird was dead. She then pulled over, got down and made sure that the dying bird was not on the middle of the road; but instead on the side of the road. This incident made her upset the whole day.
I then asked her: You do eat poultry products right? (I asked it in a very very polite way)
She was speechless.
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How many of them know that egg white is added in some of the coffee specialities in the new found coffe pubs like Barista and what so ever (in Madras too)? Can one guarantee that they do not use the spoon/hand mixer to mix other “vegetarian” coffee varieties?
Many of them order Pizzas from Pizza Hut / Dominos and the likes. Does one think that there are two different persons handling the meat and vegetables?
No one cares about such issues these days; except for a few (who are eventually singled out and mocked at and being called conservative/ old fashiones etc). I, for one, follow my strict ways; irrespective of what people think of me. I know that I am taking good care of my health.
Voracious Blog Reader
i really dont get the basis of this argument! u like veggie food u eat it….i lik non-veg food i eat it!!! and thtz abt it!
um not forcing you to eat non-veg food….ur not forcing me to turn veggie…so really where is the problem???
Saithilak,
//But, only for the case, an animal as prey to other animal
Exactly ! You said it. Only animal eats another animal.
Voracious Blog Reader,
Then you get typical Madras Kaapi there 
In Starbucks (US & Canada), they tend to put cream which contains this eggwhite. I specifically order by saying onemedium-nocream-nofoam-cofee
Also i am not objecting any one eating non-veg and am not against one eating veg in non-veg combined hotel (in the land where u dont find veg hotel separately, you can order rice, curd, rasam) but if somebody ridicules my policy, then this will be my reply. As u said, we dont need to bother who thinks what.
Prasad,
Human cannot eat everything what they see, they need to adjust themselves what they are getting. This applies even to non-veg people also. So why non-veg guys should argue with veg guys.
The problem comes when non-vegians ask veg people to eat veg and tries to make fun out of them. They ask people to be roman when in rome thinking that non veg is available everywhere but not veg. Even bread is veg and you can get that in rome
//um not forcing you to eat non-veg food….ur not forcing me to turn veggie…so really where is the problem???//
As i said b4, problem is only with who tells veg is not available everywhere so make use of eating non-veg.
hey this blog reflects my situation too.
I guess its better to avoid eating in non- veg and veg restaurants as i guess it would be inevitable that there could be a mix up in the kitchen . as said being veg or non veg is a person’s choice. Why mock veg’s pref ??
Hi Sami,
Thank you for a nice post. Very thought provoking and how relevant to our times. I am from Srirangam and I reside in the US (CA). I am still a vegetarian, not taking eggs knowingly. Whatever you explained about picking the leaves or plants is exactly Vegans are saying these days. They are essentially trying to re-invent what our forefathers did/said.
My take on it is this. I totally accept there are herbivorous and carnivorous animals. Why should humans be different? If we start saying which side is right, then all the silly questions will come into play. Living in country where majority are meat eaters, I cannot claim they are wrong. People always ate what was easily available to them. Not every community was farming community. Eskimos for e.g, will have to eat seal meat. I also cannot say I can’t eat at a resaurant that serves meat as well.
I do watch what I take and if I find out something may have something non-veg, I stop taking it. When I buy my grocery I make sure I get the right product. At the same time, I stopped worrying about what was there in what I took. Being Vegetarian is no longer because my parents were. It’s because that’s what suits me and I am at peace with what I eat. I see others come to it, after seeing others trying to take to it fearing problems with other kinds of diets.
The way I see it, as you put in words yourself, as long as man did it in a personal way it was all ok. What I mean is, when they had to get the milk directly from cow, they saw the calf that needed milk. When they had to chop the chicken, they saw what it went through. Now, chicken is packaged and stored in a store shelf the same way vegetables are. The sensitivity part is totally gone. Same way, cows were fed harmones just to get more milk out of them. When the food “industry” turned business, and people got greedier, we, the common people that consume, were completely isolated from the process of getting it. There is an awakening in the US, where they are talking about Organic products now. Essentially what our forefathers did, they gave it a new name. It’s unfortunate that they chase after our old values, and we theirs!
I used to get questions as to whether it was my religion (being Hindu) that precludes me from taking meat. Now, at least in CA, they are better informed. My answer now is, this is what suits me and they respect that.
Keep up the good work. And please post more Trichy pics’
Best,
Sam
hey,
very well written..i m a vegetarian..i’ve many frnds who are on vege..i cud never prove my point though i knew i was right..im very glad to read ur post..i got some of my unanswered ques..
thanku for such an interesting and true post!!
keep it up
sejal
hmmm what about carrots ?
beetroot ?
Sam,
Thanks for your friends. Will post trichy pics soon. Sorry for the late reply.
Sejal,
Welcome
PC,
I said those which taken under the ground are killed when they are taken out. This is especially in the case of garlic and onions. Also in the ancient indian vegetarinism, it is believed that every food is having some frequency and is believed to produce a change in your thought process. Garlic and onions may be good for health and today’s indian vegetarians prefer to eat but still it provides unstable thoughts on once mind when you eat.
Try eating them and try to concentrate on one subject. After some time, try eating some fruits, try to concentrate on the same subject. Second time surely you will be able to concentrate. Because of this reason also, they were avoided in ancient india.
Now coming to carrot and beetroot, surely they are not from india. To my knowledge they are nowhere specified either in tamil sacred texts or sanskrit sacred texts. But still i browsed about it and found that they were the products unlike onions which are integral part of the plant itself. So again using carrots is not killing the plants.
But am not sure about the thought frequency the carrot and beetroot produces after eating them.
HI Sam,
I am so happy to c such a blog and i have always wanted to meet and mingle with people who think the way you think.
Also, Sejal and bts are the kind of people who think ethically.
One more thing to addup..According to Sam, milk is not non-veg.But it is…coz it is an animal product as well.So if u r following a strict vegan diet u can go on with Soya products to compliment ur milk proteins.
I always have arguments with my friends on this subject. They usuallu find me as a piece of entertainment so dat they can excercise their vocabulary. People never try to understand or accept the wrong things they do..
Here in our world, v have people speaking and fighting for social rights..no one is bothered about animals.They too have a sense of pain and agony wen they are bruttaly massacared for Food,clothing and jewellery…
Without all these a human can very much lead a wonderful lyf without harming animals…
But no one understands…
dude.. way 2 go !
i like ur post, me being a veggie try my best 2 spread the awareness.. has worked wit a few ppl, not so wit another few..
i m happy tat at least 1 person in my life, i have completely changed her from a non-veggie to a veggie after explaining a few logical advantages.